...But...
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...The stupid, fawning attitude. It hurts my brain. Oh how it hurts my brain.

Please take note of the category tags for this post.

No, I don't think he's the antichrist. :-)

I do, however, believe that he is worshiped.

True.

This might scare/disillusion you, though.

You don't have to be a dispy to believe in the Antichrist.

I actually still hold to a basic pre-wrath eschatology. I'm semi-preterist, not sure about the 7 years of trib, etc. But I'm not like Shrode or Jared, full-blown amils.

In other words, if Obama ended up being the AC, it wouldn't shatter my eschatology.

I think that whoever the AC ends up being will be someone who is viewed as a secular savior by much of the world. So - I'm not sayin' my spidey sense is tingling.

I'm just sayin' . . .

I just don't think Obama is destroying the world.

I don't either. I disagree profoundly with him on many issues, but also see some good he's doing.

This post isn't directed at Obama. It's directed at people who make videos of themselves praying to him and giddy MSM personalities who say things like "he's sort of God".

I was gonna say what Inklingstar said. When you pull the pendulum way back (Bush is Satan/Hitler/antiChrist), it's gonna swing far (Obama is God/Jesus/Messiah).

Also: I am an amillennialist, but I do (for the moment) believe there will be a final antiChrist sort before the second coming. Not down with the whole one-world-government, mark on your forehead, 7 year tribe type stuff. But meshing Jesus' words in Olivet Discourse with Paul's words about the man of lawlessness does seem to indicate there will be one final antichrist dude before game over.
Fwiw

FWIW, Kim Riddlebarger (author of "The Case for Amillenialism") just wrote a book on the Antichrist.

It's in my Amazon cart, but I haven't bought it yet.

His is not simply an alternative POV. He denies one very blatant attribute of both Christians and Americans. WE DO NOT BOW TO KINGS. Not before Nebachudnezzar, not during, not since. How much blood was shed on this soil to make sure that NEVER happened again? Will I be the butt of ridicule by taking that seriously? Probably. Do I care? No. Because there was a time in this country when that was so anathema it would have alienated all of one's supporters.

Okay, sorry. I get a little carried away when the discussion goes to "he has done some good." That's my peeve. I just don't get the incessant digging through the s*** to find some undigested kernel of nutrition to fawn over.

I'm out. I'll be over here digging through excrement if you need me.

Also - everyone. One of the tags on this post is "Just Goofin' Off" - I absolutely did not want this to get into a "Is Obama the AC?" discussion.

I'm going to remove the part of my post where I make the lame joke. It was not meant to be the focus.

Sorry.

Obama, he is sort of... not even close

G.F.

Great question. I admit I can't put the answer into words very well, and my answer will probably be unsatisfactory.

I have disagreed with pretty much everything the Democratic congress and this President have done. I'd say the same for the last three months of the last President and congress.

But at least the left-wing of the country doesn't have rabies anymore. I have serious doubts about Obama's diplomacy, but I can understand the abject fear that Bush's diplomacy struck into the heart of the left wing. The shoe's on the other foot now. I am willing to give O the benefit of the doubt. Maybe his speech in Cairo did some good in our relations with Islamic nations. My gut feeling is that it hurt more than helped, but I also know I may be wrong, and hope and pray that I will be pleasantly surprised. I can't discount having a President who is eloquent. We've paid dearly for Bush's basic inability (and even unwillingness) to clearly and with skill lay out and explain his agenda and core beliefs. And I voted for him twice and think highly of him. But one can almost weep over the missed opportunities that are due to his inability to communicate.

The country, at the least, is calmer now. Because conservatives who disagree with a left-wing President rarely get as unhinged (and certainly not as 24x7 unhinged) as liberals got over Bush.

And Obama, by definition almost, is forcing us to look at our own values, our own hypocrisies from the last 8 years, and helping focus the conservative side of the conversation. That's a good thing.

I realize my answer is pretty weak. But I never want to be the one who sees absolutely no good in those on the other side of the aisle.

I think that's a very generous assessment.

Possibly. I think it's natural to consider one's own "side" to be the reasonable one. But I think I will stand on that for now. Two reasons, one observational and one philosophical. I observed a great deal of hatred toward GWB over the past especially 4 years: everything from people writing plays about assassinating the man to all the "chimpy", "BusHitler" stuff. Etc. I haven't seen things to that level yet on the con side, but, of course, I may not be looking hard enough.

Philosophically, I think the liberal mind is more susceptible to going unhinged, mainly because I think the liberal by definition values and emotionally relies on Government more than a conservative might. So when all is not right with Government, they tend to get more agitated.

Again - I realize I may be overgeneralizing. I don't see libs and cons as two sides of the same coin, though. I think fundamental differences in personality and thought processes drive many of us to one camp or the other. Both sides have their good and bad points, of course, but I don't believe that in a liberal administration we can expect the same type of behavior from cons as you might see on the flipside.

I def could be wrong, though.

Bill is right. There are lots of bozos out there actually worshipping thsi guy. And it is nauseating, and a bit scary. It was clear to me that that was the point of his post. All the AC stuff here is just a red herring. If anyone needs more proof, remember he is Oprah's "the One" and what's his name - the modern "guru" who sells books at $25 a pop advising us that we don't need any advice -- says Obama will help us "evolve to the next level." In the minds of too many people out there, Obamaration has become irrational.

I don't see libs and cons as two sides of the same coin, though. I think fundamental differences in personality and thought processes drive many of us to one camp or the other.

Ideologically, no. But humans are humans, no matter what party they belong to. Listening to Mark Levin go off on Frum was, to me, no different than reading the Huffington Post.

For what it's worth, I find the Obama worship just as nauseating and irrational as the Bush hate (or Obama hate, for that matter).

For what it's worth, I find the Obama worship just as nauseating and irrational as the Bush hate (or Obama hate, for that matter).

Wow, inklingstar. That was succinct and profound. It is a very useful nutshell, not that gross at all, I think.