I really liked this episode, too.

Initial thoughts:
It's nice to have confirmation that Widmore is an other. I wonder if his other-ness extends to Penny and how much she knows. I also wonder if Faraday isn't a lovechild between Widmore and the Priestess, another other.

I think the woman who held the gun to Faraday while he was looking at the bomb is his own mother. ZING-A-ROO.

Ben is not an other - outside of Widmore and Priestess lady (whose name I can't remember), are there any other others not on the island? Abaddon comes to mind.

Good call on the four-toes thing.

It appears that the others age when not on the island. A bit of never-never land thrown in for good measure.

I like the romance, too, Bill - not too easy or too side-story. It started last season, after all, and gives her dying a bit more gravitas.

I LOVE THAT THEIR BABY'S NAME IS CHARLIE!

I'm not tired of any character right now. I still love me some Benry craziness. Next week's show is going to be ulsome.

Here's a theory that may or may not have already been posed:
Widmore rebelled and got off of the island and now wants back to harness its powers. The priestess was sent to fight him (or maybe there were good intentions initially). Either way - it's turned into an Obi Wan v. Vader thing. Ben is young skywalker, in the sense that the priestess is guiding him.

I guess Hurley doesn't get busted out next week? hmmmm.

WHERE IS JIN?

It may not be that any of them are technically "immortal", right? I mean, they may just have been controling the time travel and therefore show up in several places in time, appearing immortal.
But I guess the 4 toe thing has to come in somewhere, so maybe they are immortal.
Geez. I have to quit trying to figure this thing out and go along for the ride. I feel like an addict.

@ Quaid - you think the girl with the gun (and what was a woman doing with an army with a gun in 1954?) was Faraday's mum? I thought she looked an awful lot like Teresa...

WHERE IS JIN?

Dead, last time I checked.

Which brings me to a big conundrum. Why is Gangsta-Sun making common cause with Widmore to kill Benry, when WIDMORE IS THE ONE WHO'S GOONS KILLED JIN?!?!?

That makes no sense. Can anyone explain?

And I know I got "lain" wrong there. I don't know the grammar rules around "to lay"

I'm guessing at this point that Richard is not human. He's of an ancient, immortal (or at least slow-aging) alien race. I think there may be a few others of like kind (Mikhail, and possibly Mrs. Klugh). Alien technology is where all the strange properties of the island come from.

Jacob is some kind of overlord of the aliens.

Richard recruits humans, but they are specially chosen. Hand-picked. Juliet is an example, as is Ben and Locke.

What his ultimate purpose is, I don't know.

Bill:

Lie, lay, have lain: when you're lying still not doing anything, like a bomb under an island.

Lay, laid, have laid: when you're moving from a not-lying position to a lying position, like when you lay down to go to bed for the night, or you lay a rug on the floor.

So full points to you!

OK, You people have GOT to see this!

Theory about Daniel Faraday's Mother.

Whoa, Shrode, great video! Someone did their research. Gosh, sometimes I feel like I sit and watch Lost like a total moron, I miss so much.
The bomb-introduction bothers me. I feel like it's adding more complexity and it's not fun. My husband thinks the radiation is the cause of the bloody noses.
Did anyone notice the comotoase (argh, girl-in-a-coma, I can spell that!) goes to childhood, and to a few years ago? Perhaps she's not in a coma, but just time-traveling constantly.
Sawyer is super cool, but Juliet seems so bland, non-plussed. Why is she so burned-out? Plus, I wish she'd close her blouse. We're all distracted by her odd cleavage.
My daughter thinks the music was way overdone when Richard comes out of the tent when Locke walks into the camp yelling for him. Check it out, it is kind of funny, like DaDaDADAAAA!!!! I mean, no one is shocked it's Richard in there.
Did anyone else feel super nervous the way the girl pointed the gun constantly? Man, she needs to take a gun-safety class.
I missed the Oceanic 6, but not Kate, who we think way over-plays with Aaron. No mom or caregiver is that fun.
Yes, Jared, Whidmore was super-jerk as a young man, I just wanted to slap him, but did you notice a softer-human side in his office at the end? I wonder if Ben is going to kill Penny. They're just too happy.
Miles is really growing on me in an irritating way.
Faraday and Lewis lack chemistry. They need the Lost sad music to play behind their moments or I can't buy into their love. What a non-glamorous way to die, with your nose bleeding like that. I wish Kate would die that way or at least get an occasional nosebleed to humble her.

All of this Kate-hate is nauseating. It's really not that bad. You act as if she's ruining the entire show . . .

I dont' think the girl with the gun is Teresa because the girl in the present said that she was talking to her father who had died five years ago. I don't see how she could know her father in that way off of the island if she were an other.

The thing mentioned in the comments that I hadn't thought about was the conscription of new others, such as the stewardess. That's an interesting twist that makes it difficult to discern who belongs to the island and who was brought in. While Ben and Locke are others in the sense that they identify with that group of people, I don't consider them purely other.

We still haven't figured out what it means to be "good" right? As in, "We're the good guys, Michael." (Just thinking of that line makes me want to watch Season 2 again)

Shrode - the video was taken down. Can you explain what was in it? Is it somewhere else we can watch it?

Jin is not dead. I don't know why I believe that, I just do. He's so not dead. What/Where/When he is, I don't know, but he's not dead. Does Sun even know that Widmore was behind the boat? How did the Losties come across that info? I know Ben spoke with Locke about it, but when did Sun ever come up with that information? For all she knows, Ben is the one who arranged everything. OR - as you've mentioned, maybe Mr. Paik knows something we don't know. I agree that he is more a part of the story than we understand. He was in Bad Twin for goodness sake.

I don't know that the others are immortal - just that they don't age like everyone else does.

Lastly - at the end of the second ep (or the two-hour premiere, depending on your POV), Ben mentions to Jack to take whatever he wants because he's not coming back. Is the insinuation that Jack dies or that the Oceanic 6 don't return from the island? Is Desmond required to go back? I sense that he is. If he goes, will he get to see Charlie/Penny again? If they go with him, that's incentive for Widmore to keep the island afloat.

Quaid, try the link again. It's still working for me.

Bill, I agree. This is not meta-lost. It is the actual episode. It's just a 30 second youtube clip from the show itself. Go look.

It makes a strong arguement that the woman holding the gun in 1954 is Faraday's mother. A real strong arguement from STUFF THAT'S ALREADY IN THE SHOW IN PLAIN VIEW. Just trust me, Bill. Go watch it... please!

It makes a strong arguement that the woman holding the gun in 1954 is Faraday's mother.

I didn't snap to that idea on my own, but after talking to some people and reading the forums (ok, ok, I do that) I think you're right.

Now, is the woman with the gun a younger version of Ms. Hawking?

Faraday and Lewis lack chemistry

Thank you!!!


It makes since that that girl is Faradays mother, but I don't think I'm 100% sure about it. I mean, I guess I am. I'm not really sure.

good posting.