- BlestWithSons
Live-blogging the show tonight, after a tortuously long two week hiatus.
By the way, here's what Namaste means:
"Namaste", Namaskar or Namaskaram (Sanskrit: नमस्ते [nʌmʌsˈteː] from external sandhi between namaḥ and te) is a common spoken greeting or salutation in the Indian subcontinent. Taken literally, it means "I bow to you". The word is derived from Sanskrit (namas): to bow, obeisance, reverential salutation, and (te): "to you". Namaskar is considered a slightly more formal version than namaste but both express deep respect. It is commonly used in India and Nepal by Hindus, Jains and Buddhists, and many continue to use this outside the Indian subcontinent.In other words, "hello!"
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Previews: aboard Flight 316. The Oceanic Six are looking pensive.
In the cockpit. The copilot is telling Frank that he recognizes Hurley, one of the Oceanic Six.
Gutsy of Hurley to be flying again.
Frank: "Well, maybe he doesn't believe that lightning will strike twice in the same place".
Flash!
Crash!
Actually, no crash. Frank puts her down on what looks like a makeshift runway.
OK, maybe they do crash, at least a little bit. Frank's covered in blood, but it turns out it's the copilot's blood, who's been impaled by a tree. Ugh.
Update: I just noticed that after the O4 flash off the plane, the plane emerges over the island, and it's now daytime, rather than the nighttime when the plane crash started.
Sun is on the flight. So she didn't flash. Ben didn't either . . . Why?
Thirty Years Earlier. Let the Jack/Juliet/Sawyer/Kate love quadrangle begin. Can I be impaled by a tree instead?
Hurley gives Sawyer a huge bear-hug. Sawyer calls him "Kong". Awesome. Those two make such a great duo.
Kate and Sawyer hug. Awkward.
Sawyer asks where Locke is.
"John's dead," Jack replies.
When Sawyer asks how he died, Jack replies with the standard Lost answer: "It doesn't matter. He's gone". I wish someone would, for once, say "Wait, it DOES matter!" and insist on getting a straight story.
Hurley wants to know what's with the Dharma jumpsuits?
Sawyer: "It's 1977".
Hurley: . . . . . "uh . . . what?"
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Jack's trying to wrap his mind around all this.
Hurley to Jin: "Dude, your English is awesome!" Hurley, everything about you is awesome.
Jin's wondering what to do. That's when Jack breaks it to him that Sun was on the island. Jin freaks and drives off.
Kate asks who else is still here. Awk . . . ward. . .
Cut to Juliet and Miles in the observatory hatch, the name of which escapes me. Miles pulls up Sawyer on the TVs. Sawyer's driving up.
Back in Lostberry, R.F.D., Juliet asks James (I keep forgetting, he's not Sawyer anymore) what's going on. To his everlasting credit, he tells her the truth: "They're back." He must love Juliet, because he doesn't con her or lie to her.
He tells her he needs to figure out a way to bring them in before someone finds them.
Juliet: "There's a sub coming in this afternoon".
Switch to Jin, who bursts into a computer room guarded by a nerdy, 1970s computer guy. He's a sarcastic grouch, by the way, and he gives Jin some lip, and Jin slams him against the wall. Which is reason #18837829 why Jin rocks.
Jane asks him if he has seen a plane. Doctor NerdBeard asks Jin why the plane is so important.
"It just is."
Cut to Sun on the beach. She's fingering Jin's wedding ring. Her face has been beaten up some by the crash. I wonder, again, why she didn't get to flash.
Frank steps up to make a speech. He tells them that the radio is busted, but they should stick together and wait for a rescue. Caesar questions him: where are they?
The island isn't on Frank's charts. But Caesar has already cased the joint and found old buildings, animal cages, and another island. He wants to keep searching.
Ben takes off at this news, and Sun does as well, following him. If he hurts her, I'm kicking his behonkus.
Sun: "Where are you going?"
Ben: "Back to our island." And, he adds, in the incredibly creepy way that only Ben can, "You wanna come"
As we fade to commercial, I wonder where Sayid is. He obviously flashed (I forgot to mention that earlier, but he flashed in the flash/crash sequence earlier).
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Juliet comes upon Amy in a hammock. She needs the sub manifest. Amy looks pretty good for someone who just had a C-section. Obviously, this is several weeks later.
THE BABY IS ETHAN!!!! I'd heard this rumor/theory before. But I'm still freaking out. Someone elsewhere has pointed out that Ethan recruited Juliet to the island, and Juliet ends up saving Ethan's life at his birth. Time-loop!
Back to Jack/Kate/Sawyer.
Kate: "So the woman who told you how to come back. Did she mention it would be thirty years ago?"
Jack is more cordial to her than I would be, after a question like that.
Sawyer drives back to Hurley, Jack and Kate. He wants them to say that they came in on the sub. I think he's going to turn them into Dharma Initiative recruits. It's either that or camp in the jungle for six months.
"I vote for not camping". Heh, Hurley.
Sawyer is a leader. The leader. And I'm completely cool with that.
Grid 325 - there's a hostile inside the perimeter. Jin grabs a gun and takes off. He might be thinking it's Sun.
I'll bet this is Sayid.
Yep.
Sayid looks genuinely happy to see Jin, and Jin asks where Sun is. When GrouchyNerd shows up, Jin has to switch back to being a Dharma Initiative bad-dude holding a gun on a "hostile". Sayid seems a bit surprised as he's ordered to his knees, but I think he's snapping to the game Jin is having to play.
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Back to the van. Sawyer, Hurley and Jack are all wearing 1970s clothes.
"You do realize all those dudes got wiped out," Hurley observes, about the Dharma initiative.
"Shouldn't we warn them?" Good ol' Hurley! Sawyer says he's not here to play Nostradamus.
Also, evidently Faraday is no longer with them. Which explains why we've not been seeing him. No explanation as to what happened, though.
Ride, Captain Ride, Upon Your Mystery Ship Heh.
Sawyer and Juliet have already gotten everything set up for Hurley, Jack and Kate. They are joining Dharma
Miles drives up and let's Sawyer know that they found a hostile.
On the walkie to Jin, Sawyer gets the news. It's Sayid.
Cut to 2007 (I think), and Ben and Sun are tramping through the jungle. Ben's being a complete jerk to her. He's talking about getting an "outrigger" and is acting all coy, like he doesn't care if she comes with him or not.
Update: I just noticed this in my traditional re-watch (because live-blogging means I don't really get to "watch" it the first time): Ben takes off his sling and his arm appears to be fine.
Frank comes looking for Sun. Ben knows where there's a boat (that's what an "outrigger" is, right? I know nothing of these things), so Sun can go back to the main island.
"You don't think you can really trust this man, do you?" Frank, you speak wise words. Sun, please listen.
She doesn't listen. And they find the boats.
Frank reminds them that he came here on a freighter full of commandos whose only job was to get Ben.
"How'd that work out for everyone?" Ben, retorts. Actually, that's pretty funny.
Sun sneaks up on Ben while he's jawing with Frank and cold-cocks him with an oar.
Frank asks "I thought you trusted this guy?"
"I lied." GangstaSun!!!
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We're back viewing a Marvin Candle orientation video. Jack's name gets called by the nervous hatch security guard from last week. Marvin Candle welcomes Jack. "Namaste". He asks who Jack's shuttle driver was. To Jack's credit, he remembers. "LaFleur"
And, evidently, Amy had her baby last night. I stand corrected. Do C-sectioned women lounge around on hammocks less than a day after their surgery? I know nothing of these things. So Marvin apologizes for the lack of organization, because Amy normally checks people in.
Funny, Sawyer has gotten Jack assigned to doing janitorial work. He's a "Workman", just like Roger!
Phil wonders why Kate's not on the list, and he's beginning to take on a sinister hue. Ominous music starts playing, but Juliet walks in and saves the day. She has a new list. Kate and Juliet "meet" for the first time. Seeing them next to each other reminds me of the trillion ways that Juliet is way better than Kate.
Kate and Juliet look at each other. Daggers fly from their eyes.
Now we're back to where Sayid is being held by Radzinsky, which is GrouchGlasses real name. He suggests that Sayid is a spy and that he should be shot.
"I appreciate your input there, quickdraw." Heh, Sawyer.
Sawyer and Jin "interrogate" Sayid.
"The terms of the truce say you have to identify yourself as a hostile, or we shoot you."
Sayid is street-wise. He plays along and says he's a hostile. So Sawyer decides to take him in, over Dr. R's protests.
Cut to Sun and Frank, thirty years later. They are at the sub dock on the main island. It looks terrible. And I think Smokey is loose. There's a disturbance in the bushes. They continue walking forward toward the "animal noise", which I think is both brave and crazy.
Is it killing anyone else besides me that Jin and Sun are separated by thirty years? Otherville looks terrible, by the way.
A light comes on in one of the buildings. And someone very creepily opens a door. It's . . . It's . . .
CHRISTIAN SHEPHARD!!!
Sun says she's looking for Jin, and asks Christian if he knows where he is.
"Follow me".
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Christian takes them into a trashed-up Dharma hall, and shows her a picture from 1977 of Hurley and the other recruits in Dharma get-up. He tells her Jin is with her friends.
"I'm sorry, but you have a bit of a journey ahead of you."
Back to recruiting day. Phil welcomes the new recruits. Sawyer calls in, he's coming in with "14J".
Sayid's holding it together very well, I think, as they march him in and he sees the others (not the Other Others, I'm referring to Hurley, Jack and Kate here) in Dharma jumpsuits. My head would be exploding at this point.
"I guess we found Sayid," Hurley says, to no one in particular.
Sawyer locks Sayid in a cage. "Bring the man some d-mn food, we're not savages," he growls at the guard, as he finally gets a chance to give Sayid a reassuring look. His eye-signals to Sayid speak volumes.
Nighttime, outside - Jack asks Phil where "James LeFleur" lives. Phil points out Sawyer's house, but also tells him that LeFleur hates being called James (except, I note, when Juliet calls him that. Because they're in love. Right James?)
Juliet answers the door. Jack double-takes. They hug. Awk. Ward.
"I'm looking for Sawyer, I guess I came to the wrong house."
"No you didn't." Bam!
"Evenin' Doc"
Jack asks about Sayid. And I hope he doesn't get snappy with Sawyer, because Sawyer has saved all of their various bacons today.
Jack observes that Sawyer is reading a book, and observes that it doesn't look like he's too busy thinking about how to get them out of this.
"Winston Churchill read a book every night, even during the blitz. He said it made him think better. That's how I like to run things. I think. Back when you were calling the shots, you pretty much just reacted. And as I recall, a lot of people ended up dead."
Jack: "I got us off the island" [um, no you didn't. You got you off the island]
Sawyer: "But here you are, right back to where you started. So I'm going to go back to reading my book, and I'm going to think. Because that's how I saved your -ss today, and that's how I'm going to save Sayid's tomorrow."
BOOOOOOOOOOO0-YAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!!!!
That's the best scene all season. That might be the best scene of all time.
Sawyer sends Jack on his way, and then waves to Kate, who's stalking around outside. I will go back in time and murder her if she steals James away from Juliet. Or maybe I'll murder him for being dumb. [I'm just kidding, I won't murder anyone. But I may throw things]
In the cell again, some kid walks over to deliver a sandwich to Sayid. Hmmmm, I wonder who that could be?
"Are you a hostile?"
"Do you think I am?"
"What's your name?"
"Sayid. What's yours?"
"I'm Ben."
Sayid holds it together. I don't know how. "It's nice to meet you, Ben."
Bam!
Great episode. What a great season!
********** BAD WOBOT! **********
Previews: Sayid: "you're all going to die, you know."
Next week looks pretty bad. They fight. They burn things. They shoot guns.
Kate says snarky things to Juliet.
End.
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I have to say that you have mad typing skills Bill.
Just a few points.
1) I think Sawyer called Hurley 'Kong' not 'Kahn'.
2) I think the idea is that the runway is the same one that the Others were building a few seasons ago, when they forced Sawyer and Kate to pick rocks to help build it. Essentially showing that someone (i.e. Ben) knew the Ajira 316 flight was coming in the future and needed a place to land to avoid killing everyone on board that didn't time jump back to 1974 (i.e. Ben included).
3) The angry hatch guy's name is Radzinsky. We hadn't seen him before, but he was referred to by Kelvin of the 108 minute button pushing fame in the Swan station. Kelvin told Desmond that Radzinsky was the button pusher before him, but killed himself, which is how Kelvin became the button pusher until Desmond arrived. The model Radzinsky is building in this episode is the Swan station.
Pretty good episode, but missing any of the character redemptive moments that I like the most. Nothing real surprising either, as the plot seems to be playing out as expected with more things falling into place. It actually feels to me like the show is fast approaching an end, and yet we know there will be another whole season. Maybe that means that all the time looping ends this season, and the next one focuses on the aftermath/future.
Evan, excellent comment. That's awesome about Radzinsky - I did not make that connection.
I've made a few corrections (thanks Evan), and also noticed a few things on my second viewing. Such as Ben's arm miraculously healing.
Did anyone else find Christian Shephard's "Follow Me" Christ figure-y?
Great, great episode. INTENSE! Sun and Jin being 30 years a part is killing me, though.
The creep factor in this ep was super-high.
When Sayid says next week, "I know why I'm here." do you think he's going to try and kill little Ben???
Also - Evan - how can Ben know about the need for a runway in the future? I see the connection of the people building it, but I don't make the connection with Ben knowing about that need before he even got off the island. Maybe Jacob told them to build it???
ALSO - how does Ethan survive the purge?
Ben's arm is okay because of the miraculous powers of the island. He's all better now which makes Locke's decision concerning what to do with Ben's unconscious body that much more important.
Does anyone else think that Caesar is a tad overbearing? Also, I think Nick the security guy is going to figure this thing out - he's totally weird and creepy.
Molly - I didn't really see the Christ figure-y thing that you did, but I do see Christian as a type of Christ figure, overall. I wonder what must be done to rewind and then to get back?
I really liked the episode! I'm not excited about the whole Kate/Juliet drama that was showing in the previews.
ALSO - how does Ethan survive the purge?
Good question. I didn't think about that.
The Christian thing was REALLYY creepy, but it wasn't creepy when I clued in that was who it was when the door was opening. He's not as surprising as he used to be.
Ethan strikes me as someone brainwashed by the hostiles. It's interesting that his name when he's grown up isn't Ethan Goodspeed, as it should be, it's Ethan Rom
(assuming Amy's Ethan is the same Ethan we know from the Others, and not just a clever ruse by the writers)
You guys remember so much stuff!! How do you do that??
Like Bill, how on earth did you remember Ethan's last name?
That's why I have to come here after a LOST episode. You guys always remind me of stuff I probably should've remembered to begin with.
And Evan, your point 2 and 3. Really. Smart.
Really.
Bill, how on earth did you remember Ethan's last name?
Well, really I just remembered that it wasn't Goodspeed. I had to look up that it was Rom.
Radzinsky ending up in the hatch along with Kelvin kind of makes sense if that's where they were located when the purge happened. It also makes sense that Kelvin would believe the island to be toxic outside of the hatch.
I wonder to what extent they knew about the Purge.
I wonder if Ethan's name is a reference to the brainwashing. Read Only Memory is kind of funny when you think of it applied to a human. The only thing that Ethan has any memory of is what he has been brainwashed to remember. And, of course, brainwashing is a technique that we saw used against Alex's boyfriend when we say that weird "God loves you as he loves Jacob" slide.
The episode was cool in that it kind of reverted to an old LOST bring up new questions format. There's always something new, I suppose.
BTW - when Chrisitan/Sun/Lapidus were inside the broken-down Dharma welcome room with the door open, was the black smoke monster outside or was that just dust? My wife thinks that the monster was out there, but I think it was just the dirt of the dilapidated buildings.
OH - it was SUPER cool to hear the whispers again.
He had to become Ethan Rom so that his name could be an anagram of "Other Man"
Quaid asked - "how can Ben know about the need for a runway in the future?"
I think it is the same way the the Losties now stuck in 1977 know things that will happen in the future (like the purge) on the island. They time traveled back to 1977 from the future (i.e. Jack from 2007, Sawyer from 2004 back to 1974), while keeping knowledge of the future.
Ben pretty clearly has time traveled as well (or has advisers that have). It is quite possible he himself has come from a future later than 2007. In fact, now that I think about it, if Ben was a boy of about 12 in 1977, that would make him 42 in 2007. He looks older that that, doesn't he? In fact, just looked it up and the actor playing him, Michael Emerson, is actually 54.
Now, whether anyone can actually change anything in the past seems to be one of the main themes of the show. One of the rules seems to be (ala Desmond's saving of Charlie several times) that whether it happens one way or another, major events can't be changed, even though the circumstances may.
So if Ben was fated to save Ajira 316, the runway was the means. But if Ajira 316 was fated to crash, and Ben is somehow trying to alter history, it's likely that all the Ajira passengers except for those who were never supposed to be on the plane (i.e. Ben, Locke, maybe Sun & Frank?), will likely get killed off one way or another, just like the nonessential 815 survivors did.
Reason #314 that Christian Shepherd is a "Christ figure" :
He has a post-resurrection glorified body that is physical yet can materialize anywhere. Just as Christ suddenly appeared inside a locked room but was still touchable. Christian Shepherd was able to materialize underground where there was no tunnel down into it. He was able to materialize where Walt's dad was on the boat just before the explosion. And now here he is again talking to people and touching objects. He appears to be more than a vision or a ghost.
He's back from the dead when his coffin touched the island, just like Locke is now.
Maybe they ditched the purgatory theory, but there's definitely some afterlife/eternity stuff going on here, in my opinion.
Reason #315 Christian Shepherd is a Christ-figure.
The way he shows up every now and then, to guide people along reminds me of what Aslan does throughout the Narnia books.
Sawyer v. Jack-
I agree with you Bill. That scene was AWESOME! I was a HUUUUGE Jack fan the first 3 seasons, but I have to admit he's fallen off my pedestal.
"I got us off the island." Jerk. He got rescued. He didn't do anything. And come to think of it, even if he gets credit, which he shouldn't, he only got 5 other people off the island. How many people crashed originally, like 48? Good grief. And though he has shown remorse for leaving Jin, what about all the unnamed lostaways still on the boat while jack is flying away. No remorse for them Jack? You didn't get "us" off the island. Most everybody died. "Jack" sounds a lot like "jerk".
Ethan's age - OK. I'm ticked with the writers on this one. It's 1977! And if Ethan was born in 1977 that would make him 27 years old when Oceanic 83 crashes and our lostaways meet him and Charlie kills him. And he would have been in his early 20's when he recruited Juliet. I mean come on. There's no way that actor is believable as someone in his 20's.
As for Ethan surviving the purge, that's no big conundrum. The hostile others could easily come kidnap the children before Ben gasses them all. No big deal. They like to kidnap kids.
Speaking of which, what happened to all the kids kidnapped by the Ben's hostile others in the first season?
"Ben pretty clearly has time traveled as well (or has advisers that have)."
I don't see that so clearly. What indicates this? It's clear that he had access to the "outside" world, but not that he ever time-travelled. I think that's why I'm confused.
What indication do you have that Ben ever travelled in time?
What indication do you have that Ben ever travelled in time?
The only thing I'd suggest, and it's not definitive, is that when Ben turned the donkey wheel and landed in Tunisia he didn't seem to be that confused about what was going on. He seemed like an "old hand" at the time travel bit.
But I think at this point we don't have enough evidence to know if he ever did before or not.
Yeah, but traveling to Tunisia doesn't necessarily equal time travel. I think that wheel-key is just that - a key to getting off of the island that opens a portal in Tunisia. It doesn't mean that time has shifted, too.
"Yeah, but traveling to Tunisia doesn't necessarily equal time travel. I think that wheel-key is just that - a key to getting off of the island that opens a portal in Tunisia. It doesn't mean that time has shifted, too."
Ben shifted nine months into the future when he appeared in Tunisia.
Anyone remember which Lostaways Ben ordered Michael to bring to the dock in Season Three? Hurley, Jack, Kate, Sawyer. They'd worked for DHARMA in 1977, and Ben knew it all along.
Ben also knew about Sayid's presence, and could not have missed seeing Jin, Juliet, Faraday, and Miles living among them for three years.
Recall that Radzinsky is the one who spliced out the part of the Swan orientation film that warned against using the Swan computer for communication, something that could lead to another "incident." Swan doesn't exist yet in 1977, but there's an upcoming two-part episode titled "The Incident." Looks like we're gonna learn about that first incident that Candle mentioned, and that it'll have something to do with imprudent use of machinery. Could this be the cause of the island curse on pregnancies?

About halfway through I observed to my wife that I'm thinking that they went back 30 years to stop Ben from committing mass murder. Then who should show up in the last scene? Ben hissownself!