"As they passed the rows of houses they saw through the open doors that men were sweeping and dusting and washing dishes, while the women sat around in groups, gossiping and laughing.
"What has happened?" the Scarecrow asked a sad-looking man with a bushy beard, who wore an apron and was wheeling a baby-carriage along the sidewalk.
"Why, we've had a revolution, your Majesty -- as you ought to know very well," replied the man; "and since you went away the women have been running things to suit themselves. I'm glad you have decided to come back and restore order, for doing housework and minding the children is wearing out the strength of every man in the Emerald City."
"Hm!" said the Scarecrow, thoughtfully. "If it is such hard work as you say, how did the women manage it so easily?"
"I really do not know," replied the man, with a deep sigh. "Perhaps the women are made of cast-iron.""
- L. Frank Baum, "The Land of Oz"
Wednesday, May 5, 2010
It's all becoming so clear . . .
Spoilers below the fold
I don't know exactly how the alternate reality fits in, but I'm going to take some shots here:
Things that are obvious: Locke is the new MIB. Jack is the new Jacob. You know, the old "man of science, man of faith" rivalry, but somewhat reversed. I could see this thing ending up with the island remaining forever, with Jack (the Candidate) becoming Jacob and keeping Smokie bottled up. But, as you will see, I don't think that it will end precisely like that. More on that later.
Things that are up in the air: Whether Kate, Sawyer, Miles, Richard, or Hurley survive. My guess, only a guess, is that at least one of them is dead.
Very Conjecture-y: Adam and Eve are Sawyer and Kate. I can't think who else they could be, now that Sun and Jin are gone. Unless they are Rose and Bernard. The triangle is broken, because Jack will be too busy being Jacob to care about loving Kate anymore. More time travel will be necessary to make this happen . . .
Now. MY THEORY OF THE END: Jack becomes Jacob, as I mentioned before. However, Jack decides to end the never-ending cycle and so he, somehow, submerges this cork of an island. Because - remember - the Smoke Monster does not handle water very well. If MIB can't leave the island, and if he can't handle water, then he's totally going to die when Jack does whatever he does to submerge it.
Jack will die when he submerges the island too. Because that will be his final, sacrificial act that his character arc has been heading for all this time.
He will, of course, live on in the new, alternate reality, with some bleed-through, as we've been seeing. I also think there is significance to the wound on his neck that he noticed in the first episode of this season.
There will have to be some kind of time-travel involved there as well, because the island is submerged "before" the flight of alternate-reality Oceanic 815.
Side note: . . . somehow, in the alternate reality, Jack needs to heal John Locke. This all fits in somehow.
I came up with this theory on my own, with no input from speculation forums. What do you think?
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Comments on "Lost. The End Game":
3. Quaid
- 05/06/2010 7:02 am CDT
Manders - I was thinking the exact same thing. He's totally missing from this, and I think he'll end up working with Richard somehow in the end. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if Widmore and Ben ending up killing each other, somehow.
Do we know what's at the heart of their beef? I can't recall. (Other than Alex's dying at the hands of Keamy)
4. Bill
- 05/06/2010 7:08 am CDT
I think what caused their feud is tha fact that Ben had Widmore banished from the island. Typical Ben power-play, but he earned the undying hatred of Widmore, who has spent all his time since then trying to find the island, and come back to it.
Now, what he wants with the island, I'm not sure.
5. Bill
- 05/06/2010 7:13 am CDT
Oh, also, I need to give some credit (if this ends up being true) to Stroke, who got me focused on Jack (number 23) as the final Candidate. Once that began to fall in place, and with Jack's obvious feeling of destiny and calling, and newfound, almost Jacob-like peace, I became convinced he's the new Jacob.
My fear is that the other Candidates are going to die (Hurley and Sawyer). Leaving only freakin' Kate alive.
And, I guess I need to amend something. I think there is some chance that Jack and Kate are Adam and Eve. That might make more sense than Sawyer and Kate.
6. Bill
- 05/06/2010 12:27 pm CDT
I realize, also, that I've forgotten about Des somewhat. Obviously, a Jack/Des meetup is in the offing. This is Jack (The Candidate) and Des (The Guy With Time-Travelling Special Powers).
They will come up with the plan for the submerging of the island.
So perhaps Adam/Eve are Des/Penny. That would be the most satisfying result (well, sort of - because we need little Charlie there too) - they go way back in time to live out their years together in peace on an island paradise . . .
If Jack is "The" Candidate, does that mean that the others are no longer candidates?
I'm mulling this - perhaps the whole bomb thing is Locke's way of determining who the real candidate is. Those that died are automatically off the list. The island is finished with them.
So now it's down to Jack, Hurley, and Sawyer (Kate's already scratched off but, somehow, continues living . . .)
Hurley better survive. That's all I gotta say.
7. stroke
- 05/06/2010 3:32 pm CDT
they also keep throwing the "what happened, happened" line out there.
you've probably implied this, but as jack and co. sink the island in effort to destroy it, they are somehow thrust into the alt-reality we're seeing BUT "what happened, happened" so they somehow are forced back to "it" whether it's the island itself or the "story" of the island. that's why they're accelerating the alt-timeline. so that when the island climax hits, we are caught up with the alt-timeline.
8. Shrode
- 05/06/2010 4:34 pm CDT
I like it to...
Except I think the "Adam and Eve" skeletons are going to turn out to be...
the literal and original Adam and Eve. (If my Lilith theory turns out to be right that is.)
Other than that, I think you are right on Bill.
10. stroke
- 05/06/2010 5:14 pm CDT
um, not to rain on too many parades, but i don't think the end game will be any previously told story or mythology or Biblical account.
elements might be found, but i really doubt it will end and we'll go "oh, it's the creation/fall story" or "oh, it's from the ancient blah blah blah."
at best it will be "like" such and such. this keeps everyone from discovering the story they're telling and forces us to guess at it. the creators can make up any mythology they want, obviously.
11. Bill
- 05/06/2010 8:04 pm CDT
You're probably right, stroke. I can also see them making it ambiguous: you know, suggesting that it's the original Adam and Eve somehow, but never really coming out and saying it.
12. Riley
- 05/06/2010 9:04 pm CDT
So what happens to Notlocke? stroke and I were pontificating about this today. More like I was pontificating while stroke was trying to be productive. I think Jack has to kill Notlocke before the end. I guess this is your island-sinking theory.
To be honest, I think it would be completely, crazy, make-me-angry-but-still-awesome tight if the new alternate reality ended up being the real one. I've honestly been thinking about that ever since we first saw the Hatch in Season 2... except back then it was me wondering what would happen if Desmond time traveled and pushed the button and the Losties never crashed...
At any rate, alternate reality timeline will become the main one. That's my theory. Either Jack and Notlocke both live or they both die. Jack can't chill by himself on Lost island.. doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of the cork concept anyway? And by the same token, Notlocke can't exist by himself, heck he'd get up and leave the island and (from what we undestand) all heck would break loose across the universe.
13. Bill
- 05/06/2010 10:45 pm CDT
I'm beginning to think so too - Jack's destiny is to destroy both the island and Smokey in the island reality, thus giving birth to the alternate reality (the real reality) and allowing everyone to live different lives, lives untouched by either Jacob or MIB.
I think Juliet was both right and wrong when she said "it worked" before she died (or, I guess, when she thought it and Miles told that to Sawyer post-mortem). All the bomb blowing up did was create "the incident" that made the Swan hatch the concrete-enclosed, button-containing world-saving hatch that it was. But that incident gave birth to flight 815 crashing, which gave birth to the show Lost (Yay!), which gave birth to where we are now, which will give birth to Jack killing Locke, the island, and himself in the past (somehow), which will give birth to the alternate, now real, timeline, where everyone's happy . . . sort of . . .
15. Bill
- 05/07/2010 9:11 am CDT
Jared, I'd say that we have only about a 30%-40% chance of getting an answer. The only reason it's not lower is because they specifically referred to A&E earlier in the season (when Hurely and Jack arrived at the cave).
Plus, unless the explosion of Jughead submerged the island - and I don't think it did. I think it caused the incident which led to everything we've seen since - we have to have just a bit more time travel to go back and time and get that island underwater. So that gives me some hope we'll get an answer.
Bottom line, though - there's just not enough eps left to get all the answers everyone wants.
Man, I love this show. Even after the last episode, which, from reading forums, a lot of people HATED, I think this things a masterpiece.
18. Bill
- 05/07/2010 5:56 pm CDT
On an earlier show, there was something mentioned like "why does he go by boat? Why can't he just fly over the water?" And the answer was something to the effect of "he just can't" - I don't remember the exact context.
He can go there by boat in human form, but Smokey can't fly over the water. And because Sawyer told Jack to push "it" in the water, and because it seemed to take Locke a little while to get himself out of the water, I'm conjecturing that Smokey water no likee.
19. TheCalvinator
- 05/07/2010 7:51 pm CDT
Why are we assuming they're even going to answer the Adam/Eve skeleton thing? What if they never refer to it?
(I'm hoping Adam/Eve are Nicki and Paulo.)
I could be completely mis-remembering, but I'm pretty sure that Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof said on the official Lost podcast that we would get the answer.
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I really really like your theory. I need to formulate my own, but it is something like that I'm sure.
Wow, one of the most poetic ironies of the whole show I think. Masterfully done if you ask me, especially when you remember the blowing up of the Hatch, calling Naomi's boat, leaving the island, and all of that other jazz that Jack and Locke were so opposed about.
This show is regaining my trust in the last few episodes...