- BlestWithSons
When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.So much to write, so little time.
- 1 Corinthians 13:11
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. It's time I posit my theory of manhood. It's very simple:
We all need to grow up.
Suggestion #1: Church leaders concerned about the state of manhood in the church: please ditch the "all church guys are chicks" talk. It's not true. I mean, it sounds good, it sells books, it spices up sermons when you describe the alleged wussification of men in our society (even better if you add the picante sauce of manly curse-words to your message), but it's not the problem. The supposed feminization of the church, where real and not just imagined, is just a symptom of a bigger problem: the men in our churches that are part of the problem are not wusses, they just aren't men. They are boys.
The problem is a lack of maturity, not a lack of masculinity.
The traits of masculinity that are mourned as missing by Christian leaders include a lack of aggression and risk-taking among church men. "These aren't the men we want", they say; "The men we want are at home, building businesses, climbing mountains, fixing their truck, hunting!" And on it goes.
The problem is that I've known plenty of men, Christian men, with lots of aggression and a taste for risk taking, truck-fixing, and business-building. I've seen no correlation between those traits and the trait of maturity. In fact, there often almost seems a correlation between these traits and a deeply-ingrained immaturity. You can see it in the way they treat others, in the way they treat their wives, in the way they represent Christ in the world.
As I've read books on manhood and listened to the talks on masculinity I've been troubled by this. I don't see the Bible teaching the view of manhood that is often portrayed as needed in the American church. The most ironic teaching of recent note would be that of John Eldredge, the author of Wild at Heart (which has gotten a lot of discussion here on Thinklings - just check out the rest of the posts in this category). His book is rife with pop-culture icons representing his view of what's needed in Christian manhood. Two of the more popular images are that of Maximus from Gladiator and William Wallace from Braveheart. And for every man I've met who was troubled by the lack of Biblical support and the skewed values and twisting of Scripture in Eldredge's books, I've met three others who think that this, this - finally! - is the message Christian men have been missing all their lives!
Yet I look at Jesus, and I wonder. Now, please understand: there has never been a hero like Jesus! There is no other I can think of who has lived a braver life than the Lord. He is our great Rescuer. Yet the biggest disappointment his short-sighted followers had as his ministry on earth came to its end was that he hadn't led them to a glorious victory over Rome. He didn't fight back, and instructed them not to do so also. In earthly terms, he was nothing like William Wallace. No, he was a lot greater than Wallace, and the victory He won through the amazing submission and sacrifice of the cross blows away anything Wallace, Maximus, or a thousand other made-up Hollywood heroes have ever done.
So how are we to live, as men? As Paul told Timothy: "But as for you, O man of God, flee these things. Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness. Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses." (1 Timothy 6:11-12). Paul said this in the context of fleeing the love of money. Yet we make men in our churches feel like less than men when they aren't successful businessmen and aggressive, risk-taking business-builders.
When was the last time you heard a message in church about gentleness?
When was the last time you affirmed those gentle, quiet, and mature servant-hearted men in your church who love their wives like Christ loved the church, who faithfully fight the good fight of faith, and who exhibit those traits that sometimes seem long-lost: self-control, gentleness, faithfulness, and real courage (and not the blustering lesser form that we often call courage but is just the thrill of the risk).
Suggestion #2: - When it comes to worship music in church, quit fighting about whether church music is too feminized these days. A better fight to pick is whether or not it's Biblical. Certainly there's a need to focus our attentions on the Biblical content and purpose behind our worship. But silly quibbles about whether a song has too much of a touchy-feely element to it seem to be missing the point.
This aspect of the current debate sometimes appears to be just a grown-up version of the "you're a sissy" taunts heard on the elementary school playground.
I don't personally like every worship song I hear. But the question must be asked: do I dislike this song because it offends my flesh (my sense of propriety or dignity) somehow? Or because it is unBiblical, offending my spirit? There's a big difference.
Suggestion #3: Let's get our ideas of manhood from the Bible, and particularly from looking at Jesus. He is the Man of all men and our model (and the only One who can actually make us men).
Some questions:
Are you a steamroller? Do you think your gift is "turning over tables"? If so, please do it in a Biblical way. Yes, Jesus turned over tables, once, in the temple. It wasn't a daily occurrence for him. And, as Dan Edelen has pointed out, you aren't a member of the Godhead. Do tables need to be turned over? Well, certainly, we need to learn, as men, to stand up for what's right. But we must do so with self-control, and - where possible - gentleness . And always with humility, and maturity, which are non-negotiable.
Are you a sports-jerk? Do you check your Christianity at the gym door? Yes, competitiveness can be a gift from God. We need people who strive to be their best. But if you are a sports-jerk, please, just stop. This is one of those traits we consider "masculine" but which are really just a lack of maturity. Some church sports-leagues are huge anti-witnesses.
Do you love your wife as Christ loved the church? Does she know it? We can search the Bible all day long for teachings on manhood. Yet few are plainer than this:
"Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. " - Eph 5:25-28
There is a lot more to this than we often notice. This is more than now and then doing the dishes. There's far too much in that passage for me to detail it here (and others could do it far better than I) but notice the high points: God wants us to love our wives in such a way that we become an agent of His sanctifying, cleansing work in her life. Just like Jesus is to the church.
Your wife is not just for sex, cooking, and child-rearing. It's a crying shame that more of us don't get this.
Are you the spiritual leader of your family? There is a huge deficit of spiritual leadership among men in our churches. Our pastor today told us that if a man and his wife bring their kids to church each week those kids have a great chance of staying in the church when they grow up. Do you know what the percentage is when just the mom brings the kids to church each week? It's a lot lower (I believe the percentage quoted was about 30%). May God bless the moms who have had the spiritual leadership of the family thrust upon them. They are valiant warriors. But, guys, this is a minimum requirement for the Christian man. Be a leader!
I can't tell you how much pain I've seen in student's lives due to the lack of a strong, Godly dad in their lives. It drives me crazy. And it's a cycle of sin that continues on in the student's life as well.
Now, if a student is without a Godly dad because dad is either absent or is a non-Christian, it's a tragedy. If the absent dad is someone who calls himself a Christian, then it's a crime. He has criminally forfeited his primary role! I mentioned earlier that there is a time for turning over tables. This is one of them. I'll bring the whip.
Leadership takes maturity. Again, this doesn't have much to do with masculinity, as it is often defined. Maturity is what is needed to face the most frightening and challenging task we face as men: the raising of our kids. We (myself included) need to grow up to this task. There are few things more important.
Let's start with the simplist part. Dad's, take your families to church! This is another one of those issues which have to do with maturity, not masculinity. It's the maturity to choose the spiritual leadership of the family over the hunting trip or the football game. Yes, these are sacrifices.
But to be a Christian man is to be called to sacrifice.
It's time for all of us to grow up.
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I’m just a glutton for punishment… Bill over on the Thinklings has written a masterful post about the masculinity of modern Christian men, and those who mourn it’s passing. Bunk, he says, and he’s hit the bullseye with startling accuracy. One section that I especially love...
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David told Solomon, "...shew thyself a man; and keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways,...", 1 Kings 2:2,3. Ephesians 4:13 declares "a perfect man" as "the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ". Men need to walk in obedience to the Word and grow up in Christ.
Don Costello
How do you say, "I agree" to its fullest?
I feel that one of my charges as a worker in student ministry is to begin to mature the students. In doing so, they have a better platform from which to view their role on this earth later in life.
Question: When you mentioned the “all church guys are chicks,†was there something in our church that was brought up or is this just an indictment of the manly men movement, in general?
Bill, just wanted you to know I linked to this fantastic post of yours from BCC is Broken. Here's the link:
http://bccisbroken.blogspot.com/2006/10/extra-extra.html
This is great stuff, man. This is, like, pinnacle of the "to the church"-type blog posts stuff. If we ever get around to doing that "Best Of" list/menu, this post goes on it, dude.
Wow, De! You've said a lot here, and I agree 110%!
I want to add, though, that women are also called to grow (up) in Christ. You've addressed several of the issues of immature guys well. I fear that a post addressing some of the immature antics of ladies in the church would be just as long!
Everyone - thanks for the encouragement. I was expecting, actually, to be challenged pretty strongly on the content of this post, so I guess I'm pleasantly surprised (not that challenges won't come).
Quaid - no, nothing at our church, at all. This is based on general observations I've made of things said and written both in realspace and in the blogosphere.
Jared - wow! Thanks man.
Let me just say that this post both inspires and convicts me.
Wow!
Bill,
Every time I read a post like this from you I think, "Bill is a great writer. He should write a book."
Seriously.
I think you should write a book on this subject. I'd buy it and I'd pass out copies.
This is awesome!!!!
The problem is a lack of maturity, not a lack of masculinity.
Classic, and true.
Even though you're sort of taking to task one of my favorite preachers (and the one who god has really used to convict me about many of your points in the last 6 months), I can't say I disagree with any of this.
Solid.
Thanks Daniel
I am trying to keep this topic away from a discussion of particular pastors. I don't know much about Driscoll but what I've heard is good. I do disagree with some of his leanings on this particular topic, but it might be just more "how" he is saying it.
I'm glad God's using him in your life. And in the lives of many others, from what I can tell. Awesome. . .
I didn't mean to steer the discussion that way but I knew kinda who you were referring to and couldn't let it slide :-)
[...] OK, here is a good post on men in the church. I have nothing to add to it. Men, let’s read it and put it into practice. [...]
Thank you, thank you, thank you for saying what so many wives are feeling!! There are so many women who do not WANT to be the spiritual leader in the house, but are simply there by default.
Now, there are a lot of books out there on "how to be the spiritual leader of the house, men." But what about a book about the transition time when a man goes down that road after many years of the wife filling that role for the sake of their children? While a blessing, it's still a transition that can be bumpy for both parties. I have a distinct feeling you could tackle this one.
Valid post but to me it misses the point of why these manly messages are being so recieved.
Let us know what you think, Eric.
I've read some of your post that was prompted by this - would love to get your perspectives here.
Good post on the role of men in the church and the world. Have been reading the book,"Why men hate going to church". I agree with much of it and the femininization of the church. I am not comfortable with holding hands, hugging total strangers, and singing "this is the air I breath", plus many of the current rituals of the modern church. Your post really got me thinking that we really need to look to Christ's example and not our current view of a "real Man".
Most men are really quite passive, and have let women shape the role and function of the church. We as men need to take on the leadership and responsibility of moving the church in the right direction. I know, I complain, but rarely try to be the solution to the current mis-direction.
Adam is one of the coolest christian guys I know, sure, he has big muscles, i'm sure he climbs mountains, but adam amberg doesn't fix trucks! Not to say he won't treat a lady like a lady, and show humility. I think he's a good example of the sort of guy you are searching for.
All I can say is right on! Several years ago I had the unfortunate opportunity to read wild at heart and participate in a video study about it. As soon as I started reading it it was completely apparent that the book was just one big stereotype and how to be more like that particular stereotype. There are many forms of leadership a man can and must take. You don't have to be a hunter to be good husband, you don't have to "love the adventure of rescuing the damsel in distress" in order to find a lifelong mate. I personally believe God made us all as men with different personalities and we can lead differently from each other, even if you do like "feministic" worship styles. As far as women shaping the role of the church as someone above stated, that is not necessairly bad since they have a lot to add that we men lack. Great comments.
I have been a big fan of Wild at Heart and Why Men hate going to church and while I agree with some of your points I don't think maturity simply means suck it up and so what we want you to do.
As a man I have a great love for my God, and my wife by the way, but thus far have found little love for the church as an organization because it is a girly place to be for the most part.
Since the church does seem to be more of a place for old people and women, maybe once I mature more I will be there but right now, only because I think I have to, not because I find it useful or beneficial. But that is simply the the way church works not because I discard the communion of believers.
Jason
If you come back and visit this thread I'd really like to hear your vision of what needs to change in church. What would make you like it more?
Also, Jason - I just read that article. A question
Maybe you're in the wrong church?
For instance, you said: "but thus far have found little love for the church as an organization because it is a girly place to be for the most part."
That's a broad statement. Maybe YOUR church is girly. Be a man and find one that's not - that would be my advice for you.
And thanks for the article - it blew me away and I hope to blog on it later tonight.
Well, now we see the pendulum swing the WRONG way in this. And of course, the world picks it up and plasters it around:
Have a look at this article called "GodMen". http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15488905/site/newsweek/page/3/
It's a crying shame. Oh Thinklings, please say something that redeems these fools.
Hi Cara
I saw that too. I'm planning on blogging on it tonight.
(if I don't forget)
I felt the same way as you when our men's Sunday School glass did Wild at Heart in the summer of 05. Tim Challies review of the book really made me take notice of what was being said and how. I let the leaders of the class know my position on the book before the class started and they did a great job in taking the postulation's of Eldredge and fitting to them a much more bibilical response.
I think your dead on that all this "chest thumping" is NOT what the Church needs, nor is it what real men need.
I also bully the idea of you writing a book. It would be nice to see an antithesis to books like Wild at Heart.

Great post De.
A real man will play Barbie with his daughter. A real man doesn’t worry what the others think about his manhood. He knows his family loves him and he knows God loves him. You made some great points on this one sir.